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108: Overcoming Fear and Finding Purpose in Skating and Multiple Cancer Diagnoses pt2 | Scott Hamilton
This episode continues our conversation with Olympic gold medalist Scott Hamilton, who overcame childhood health challenges to achieving success in figure skating displays the value of resilience and perseverance. Scott shares his unique story as an adopted child, along with a humorous recollection of an early ice-skating mishap that nearly stopped his career before it even began.
Scott is an Olympic Champion, cancer survivor, television broadcaster, motivational speaker, author, husband/father and eternal optimist! During his figure skating career, Hamilton’s list of achievements includes his Olympic gold medal, over 70 titles, awards, and honors. In 1990, Hamilton was inducted into the United States Olympic Hall of Fame and in that same year, he became a member of the World Figure Skating Hall of Fame.
Following his mother’s passing and his own survival of stage 3 testicular cancer, Hamilton launched the Scott Hamilton CARES Foundation (Cancer Alliance for Research, Education and Survivorship) in 2014, with a mission to improve cancer patient survivorship by supporting world class cancer research and the highest quality patient treatment and care. The same year, he founded the Scott Hamilton Skating Academy, in partnership with the NHL’s Nashville Predators, at Ford Ice Centers in Antioch, Bellevue and Clarksville, TN, to offer students programs to help them fall in love with ice skating.
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I've only fallen on the ice, estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And ice is hard.
Speaker 1:Well, it is hard, but you know it's like but when you get up 41,600 times, the next fall has very little meaning. You know, and I think that's kind of the metaphor for all of this you know You're going to get knocked down, it's you're just going to get up, you're just good at it Well.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's like you're going to like for everybody listening. It's like you're going to get knocked down. You're going to fall down. You're going to have some sort of like knocked off your feet at some point in your life. It's just going to happen. I'm not projecting or wishing that on anybody, but it's just life. Right, it's how you get up.
Speaker 4:It's how you get up. You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver, jim Mann.
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Speaker 2:Tell us more about the CARES Foundation now that you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we started off it was sort of as a thank you to the Cleveland Clinic Tau Cig Cancer Center for getting me through it and I learned so much in that my oncologist is on the board of the foundation and he was the guy that helped me get it started in the first place as an initiative at the Cleveland Clinic Tau Cig Cancer Center as part of their patient services program. I really wanted to give back and they're like well, example, we're doing the press conference. It was January 2000. And I looked at my urologist, dr Eric Klein, and I said what do you think of fourth angel? And he goes sounds interesting, what is it? And I go's um, your first angel is your oncologist. Your second year angels your oncology nurse. You feel free to switch those anytime you want, but your third angel is your friends and family. What's missing in your cancer journey is your fourth angel. And the fourth angel is somebody's been there, done that?
Speaker 1:they can mentor you and you know work is sort of a, a role model, like they've got through it and they're on the other side now. They have knowledge that I desperately need. So we created a mentorship program that exists to this day. I survived. I guess it was 1997, so that'd be 27 years ago, wow. And they're pairing 100 people a month patients, caregivers and pediatric caregivers, people a month, patients, caregivers and pediatric caregivers and so those people have unique knowledge and understanding and experience, right, that can be shared with the next person going through it. And so Fourth Angel is again doing 100 pairs of matches a month.
Speaker 1:And then the other part of it was I did what all patients do. I went on Dr Google and back then the internet was relatively new, right, but I went on. I did a search of what do I need to know about testicular cancer and all I found was a medical journal paper that had 12 syllable words in it and I thought I'm too dumb to be sick. I mean, so is everyone right? Unless you're like third year medical school or whatever, you don't understand what you're going through, right? So I figured there was another opportunity. So for five years I was the organ grinder's monkey to raise enough money to build chemocarecom. And what's wild is I just gave a speech locally to some oncology nurses at a meeting they had here and I told them about chemocarecom and they looked at me and I go. How many of I told them about chemocarecom and they looked at me and I go. How many of you have heard of chemocarecom? Every single hand.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:It was powerful. This has been a spectacular resource to give our patients what they need to know in eighth grade, english and Spanish, and, with Google translate, any language in the world, because that information didn't exist before. Here's how it's administered in language you can understand. Here's every single drug, every single drug combination. Here's what they're designed to do, here's how they work and here are the side effects associated with those drugs and here's how to manage them, so you're not flying blind anymore. It's not like every single day.
Speaker 1:For me was a step in the dark and I just I just thought that was a huge issue in cancer. So we solved that problem with chemocarecom and and then after that, well, now we need to focus on, like, let's cure people, you know, and so you know that was at the Cleveland Clinic. We did 15 years and then I did three more years of fundraising for them and then they said, basically, go Be an independent foundation. Said, basically, go be an independent foundation. And so when we started this, we were the cleveland, we were the um cares initiative at the cleveland clinic toxic cancer center and then we launched as the cares foundation. So we're an independent foundation now because we can do more things as an independent foundation, that we can as part of a health care organization. Right, and so we? Um, we sat down and said what, what's our strategy? And I said, well, I think we need to fund the future of cancer treatment and that is treat the cancer, spare the patient. Harm, that's a good angle.
Speaker 1:What is that? Yeah, it's a great angle. It's like how do you do that? I've been to so many different cancer centers and the promise of immunotherapy is real and we need to get behind that. And at that point there wasn't an immunotherapy drug on the market. It was just this concept that this is, our bodies created the cancer. It's not naive to think that our bodies can't recognize and destroy it, because right now, as we're talking, and as naive to think that our bodies can't recognize and destroy it, because right now, as we're talking and as people are listening, our bodies are finding dead, broken or or mutant cells and saying uh-uh, out, out, out yeah but the cancer cell tricks the body into.
Speaker 1:You know, I need more food here. I take my white waste here. Yeah, we'll do everything, we're going to do everything to accommodate you, but it's destroying the host. So how do we teach our bodies to recognize? Well, wait a minute, you don't belong here out. You know, and immunotherapy is, to me, is the best way to do that. It's t-cell therapy, it's. You know, there's a lot, a lot of different ways of approaching all of this, and it really is. It's just authentically and legitimately and genuinely allowing your body to understand how to treat the cancer and spare the rest of your body harm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it worked for me. There you go, two months it killed every tumor in me and of course obviously there's a long way to go because you know, with some people after it finds the cancer does that it looks for other things which it's not supposed to. It's like, well, okay, let's go after the organs, which is? You know, they keep checking that. But you know, fortunately mine decided.
Speaker 1:Guess what we're both playing with house money now. Yeah, oh, it's like it's all gravy, it's all like. Today is just a day I never would have been able to experience without those two guys in indiana as research scientists that just say what if we do it this way? Yeah, and it worked. You know 27 years of survivorship and they told me, because of chemo, you know 20 years. You know lung effects. Probably, yeah, things will start to maybe not work so good. Yeah, but I'm I mean, I'm like stronger than I've ever been. You know, physically. You know, maybe not in the legs, but I have pecs for the first time in my life. I've never had them before and it's because I asked my body to do something.
Speaker 2:I noticed that when I came here and it responded there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like physically intimidating now right, but it's that. It's like we ask our bodies to do things and our bodies will respond. Like when I start training for a competition in May, it looks way different than it does in January when the competitions happen. It takes time to build and to grow and to ignite quality and physical conditioning. It just takes time.
Speaker 1:And you know, if we just roll up our tent, don't do a thing, just say I'm not really feeling it today, then you're really allowing your body to diminish, you know, on that day, and not just get stronger. And so, in that, when I got the third brain tumor diagnosis, they're giving me a surgical and a medical option and everything in my spirit said get strong. And they said what do you want to do? I go, I'm going to go home and I'm going to get strong. And they go, what does that look like? And I go, I have no idea, but that's all my body would let me do, that's all my mind, that's all my heart, that's all my spirit would let me do is just, no, go home and get strong, just get strong. And so I got strong physically, I got strong, um, emotionally, I got stronger intellectually and I got stronger spiritually.
Speaker 1:And you know, each day I spend on the word, I just find something that just wow, that's that's. That's something remarkable that everybody needs to know. Why didn't? I know that? I've been following the Lord since the last 20-something years and it's like I didn't see that before. Because the Word is alive. The Word is, you know, it touches us, but we need to spend time in the word, but it touches us in a way, or it inspires us in a way, unexpectedly. I've read that passage 15 times. Why is it hitting me different today? And it's all that right. So you know, we've been given so much. You know, physically, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually, we just got to tap into that in order to live our best lives right, and you have obviously such a huge platform, uh, being known around the world.
Speaker 2:I just mentioned your name to somebody who wasn't even alive when you were in the olympics. No, wow, and they go. Oh, is that the guy with the backflip?
Speaker 1:no, thank goodness for YouTube, right, yeah, but it's that it's like you know why. I meet a lot of really cool people and I've gotten a nice friend you know, like Hockey Bites Cancer Gary Bettman, the commissioner of the NHL. I've spent a lot of time with him on and off and we were having lunch one time and he always likes to interview people he's sitting with because he was an old radio guy and he goes. Can I ask you a question? And I go, sure, and uh, he goes. There's been a lot of people that won olympics and I go yeah yeah, I mean every olympics.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of people in the olympics, yeah, and he goes, but you like, now it's 40 years ago why? How have you maintained familiarity? A lot of people won the Olympics and nobody couldn't pick them out of the lineup. Why, you and I? Just I didn't know what to say. I just the only thing I could think of I go, people are kind to me, I go, people like they like me, and he goes wow, that's a superpower, likability. And I go. Well, I mean it's not like something I try to dredge up, you know, sincerity is not something you dredge up, but it's like I try to be kind, I try to be considerate, thoughtful, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, I would say, as an observer, that you know you always play to the crowd. You were, like your personality, just shot out of the crowd rather than you're just there performing.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, they did pay to get in.
Speaker 2:The least.
Speaker 1:I could do is honor that.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but not everybody does that oh it's fun, it's really fun. You enjoyed yourself.
Speaker 1:Oh, I had a blast. It was so fun just to try to figure out new ways of igniting an audience. And it's funny I have this I win story. When I first turned pro, it's like the president of Ice Capades signed me, kind of holding his nose. We were really great friends and we built a really huge level of respect for each other. But anyway, at the time he's like you're just going to party, you think the work's done and you're just going to miss shows. We're going to party, you think the work's done and you're just going to miss shows, we're going to have to refund tickets. It's a nightmare. We had to sign you and it's like no, no, no, I'll be the best employee you ever had. So I'd look out at the crowd and I'd see these men sitting in the front row and they would be looking around kind of like, oh man, I hope this going to end, I just want to go home. And I realized I go. These men are so underserved. If I could get that guy on his feet, I could skate forever. And so it was like, okay, that's my. Every time I come up with a new routine or I come up with a new idea, it's to get that guy on his feet. So it was funny.
Speaker 1:The other day I was at this event for cares and this guy came up and he goes hey, he goes still doing backflip, and I was like, oh no, it's only in my head. And I go. I got to tell you something. This is what happens to me every time I go. I fly out of time probably Southwest usually and I meet guy. I go yes, sir, and he goes, I don't watch skating, I'm a football kind of big football fan and I like baseball too, and I go me too, I like all the sports. And he goes hey, can I get my wife, because I know she'd love to meet you. And I go, absolutely. So he gets his wife and she comes back and he goes honey, look who's here. And she looks at me and she has absolutely no idea who I am. And it's like I win. I got that guy. I got that guy to like skating, I got that guy to like skating, and so it's like that. It's like how do we invite everybody to the party?
Speaker 1:And it's by being intentional, being intentional and it's by looking at them, engaging the audience and trying to predict what they've never seen before. That would be really fun for them and to try to create that. And so it gave me a 20-year professional career. Wow, From first steps to Olympic, gold was 16. Wow. And then 20 years of ice shows and competitions and broadcasting and it's just been extraordinary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I would watch figure skating and I'd be nervous all the time. I'd just get all tense like I'm going to fall. Until you came on. I'm like you're just a guy having fun. If he fell, he'll just roll with it, which you did. Yeah, I relaxed when you skated. Yeah, so there you did. I relaxed when you skated. Yeah, so there you go. I stood up.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I've only fallen on the ice, estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and ice is hard. Well, it is hard, but when you get up 41,600 times, the next fall has very little meaning, and I think that's kind of the metaphor for all of this. You're going to get knocked down, it's you're just gonna get up. I mean it's well. I mean it's like you're gonna like for everybody listening, it's like you're gonna. You're gonna get knocked down, you're gonna fall down. You're gonna have some sort of like knocked off your feet at some point in your life. It's just gonna happen and I'm not I'm not projecting or wishing that on anybody, but it's just life, right, right, it's how you get up. It's how you get up.
Speaker 2:Well, that was what I was going to ask you to talk about right now as we close this puppy out, because you know there are people listening that. They're listening because they just got a diagnosis and they're scared to death. Life is over in their minds and some of them have doctors who are just like sorry, but you guys six months. So you know that messes with your mind why is it always six months?
Speaker 1:it's always six months every time it's because it's a best guess it's like oh, you don't know, oh, you don't know, so how?
Speaker 2:what would you say to encourage them right now?
Speaker 1:I'd say do your homework. I don't believe in second opinions, I believe in seventh opinions and um, it goes back to Murphy's Law. You know, where you stand depends on where you sit. You know, yeah, the old Reagan trust, but verify. And it's really getting a knowledge of your condition where you can make the best possible choice. For you know and give yourself the best chance of surviving. And sometimes it may not be what you want to do. Other times it's like, well, here's an opportunity to try something else. You know, and so there's, you know, it's, it's.
Speaker 1:I said that to an oncologist one time. I thought I offended him. He goes. No, that's so smart because cancer is changing every day. So if you're sitting across from the desk from a surgeon, you're probably going to get cut. If you're probably going to get cut, if you're sitting across the desk from a he-monk, you're probably going to get chemo. If you're sitting across the desk from a radiation oncologist, you're probably going to get radiated.
Speaker 1:But it's understanding what is the best choice for you to give you your life back and then the best quality of your life post-cancer. Because that's where you've got to think. You've got to think okay, once I'm through with this, what look like. And I got. I got great, beautiful, gorgeous scars like they're. They're stunning and they're beautiful and they're badges of honor because it says look how, look how resilient you know the lord has made us. And that's the whole idea is just understand your condition and then make make choices based on that, on everything you've learned. You know, if you're just going to say I'm not doing that, I'm not doing that, I'm just not going to do that, and it's like I spend so much of my life now trying to get rid of chemotherapy and I'm here because of it. I'm not a hypocrite, I just know there's a better way, so I got to keep working towards it. Right, and that's the same with everybody out there. It's like what's state of the art, what, where, what, what?
Speaker 1:And Dr Toby Cosgrove told me something at the aneurysm issue in 2010. He said he goes, there's really good doctors out there that do miraculous things, and then there are six-a-day guys. All you really want is a six a day guy. Find out who the best guy is to treat you and then listen to that person and respond in a way that's not about more or less denial. It's about here's your best chance of success, living your best and longest life, and whatever that is and there's again, it could be anything you know. It could be vitamins, it could be high pH water, it could be eliminating sugar from your diet or going keto. It could be a lot of things.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Or it could just be that maybe going through chemotherapy for three months or trying this new immunotherapy, you know, medication might, or the course of treatment, or maybe it is just purely a lumpectomy, a surgery, just get it out, you know. Or maybe it's this new type of thing that we're doing, you know, endoscopically, or maybe it's. You know, but you don't know until you spend the time to find out. Right, and all that information exists. You just have to, you have to spend some time to get to it, and it's growing all the time, growing all the time and almost oppressively right. But you know there are centers of excellence out there for each individual form of cancer and some are unexpected, really, really there, yeah, there, and you know there have to educate ourselves, you know it's physical, emotional, intellectual, spiritual. It's got to approach everything with those four qualities and if you do, um, that's the best chance you have of living a long and and uh, quality life, like you said.
Speaker 2:Just get stronger in every area because you know, for some reason your body allowed cancer to grow, like you said. I mean, your body's supposed to take care of these things, but something was lacking somewhere which caused it to grow, which you know.
Speaker 1:It could be total stress, you're eating garbage, or well, why is it that in this country, you know we're eating foods that are illegal almost everywhere else? It's like how is that even possible? And now, who do? I trust you know. It's like no, you can't have that chemical in that food. What makes it look pretty? Well, I don't care, it's just you know. It's like I got a pineapple from my wife this morning. I said you better eat that today because it's not going to be pretty tomorrow. It's just like okay, let's do the right thing Drink lots of water and make sure it's good, clean, healthy water.
Speaker 1:I mean, the most important thing I do in our home is to make sure and my wife is very, very, very amazing, she's the one that really created this eco-center for our house we're only drinking filtered and treated water. Right, I've filled and treated in a way like it can be high ph or it can be acidic, or it can be just, you know, natural, but it's filtered. There's nothing in it that's going to be harmful to our bodies. It's pure water and and it's like that's an investment. I'll make no matter what, first and foremost because it's so important. It's so investment. I'll make no matter what, first and foremost because it's so important. It's so important what we put in our bodies and how we live our lives.
Speaker 2:So how do people get a hold of you? Obviously, take it to the CARES Foundation, yeah.
Speaker 1:CARES, scottcaresorg. We're doing a lot of really, really cool things. I guess it's coming up on 10 years, um, since we started this foundation, um, but it is that it's. It's um. You know, join us. You know we're really trying to. You know the cancer the care stands for the cancer alliance for research, education and survivorship, right. So we've we've handled the survivorship and the education in really cool ways. The research is what we're focused on now, but the A, the alliance, is something that we just I want to wear that letter out and we work with other cancer foundations and we help them and they help us and we're a collaborative organization.
Speaker 1:Silos don't work in cancer For somebody to say say, you can't see my work, I'm going to be, I mean, this is mine to do, and they're missing out on this collaborative thing. We did this um, this study for metastatic melanoma, and all these other researchers saw the promise of it and they, they wanted to come on board and be a part of this research and now it's in clinical trial. Wow, the disease that killed my mom is now in clinical trial. It's huge. So it's huge and it's it's like okay, I pray that they're on the right track and I pray that this research, in this clinical trial, goes the next phase and next phase and next phase and become standard of care. Wouldn't that be amazing? Yeah, and then there won't be some 18 year old boy out there burying his mom and missing out on what, when he needs her the most, you know. And so, yeah, come join us.
Speaker 1:Gotcaresorg. We have a 1984 campaign as the year I won my gold, but 19.84 a month and you can support us and and we're. We've done 88 partnerships since we started. Eight's my number, and we're going to continue on and we just really truly feel like we can change the world for the better and forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that sounds great, scott, thanks for doing this. Oh, my pleasure, thank you, and I just love your office.
Speaker 1:Isn't it fun. I don't do any kind of memorabilia at home ever. That's all here or it's in my office at the rink. I won't do that to my kids. It's like, nah, I'm your dad, I'm not this other thing.
Speaker 1:So we do a lot of stuff here and it's fun to kind of relive these memories. And there's a lot of fun things in here that you know. It's like my first international competitions over there. And then you know I carried the flame into Salt Lake City Olympics with Peggy Fleming and then a gentleman who was a professor at Bowling Green State University grabbed a hunk of snow from the ice at the Zetra in Sarajevo and put it into a bottle. So I'd always have the water of the ice that I skated on and it's just really cool things it reminds me of. Like I don't really truly remember everything about that guy, but I think you know it was fun and I was able to touch some lives. You know just all the skaters that I got to tour with and compete against and compete with On the 40th anniversary Brian Orser, the silver medalist, and Joseph Bobchick, the bronze medalist. We were all together in New York Really On the night because we couldn't wait to be back together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who remembers them? We all remember you.
Speaker 1:No, brian Orser's had three olympic champions as a coach, uh, wow, yeah, he's, he's legit and he's just the best guy ever. And joseph objic, again, he was. He was younger than us and he was always following us around. And when we got to stand on the podium together in sarajevo, it was something that you know, we, we knew that we'd always, always be friends and we would always want to be together. And at night I go hey, you guys want to meet in New York and celebrate together. And they go yeah. And so Brian flew in from Asia. I think he had some weird flight thing where he was able to get in just in time and we laughed for two days. It was so much fun. But that's life, that's what we want to do.
Speaker 3:What we want to do, we want to live our days live our days fully and and enjoy I think you're doing a good job trying I'm still a work in progress in many respects and almost all respects yeah, are we all, though?
Speaker 2:yeah, until we're gone until we're gone.
Speaker 1:But you know, in my closet I have a framed thing and it's just the nine fruits of the spirit. I figure if I can live in love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness. But you know, in my closet I have a framed thing and it's just the nine fruits of the Spirit.
Speaker 2:I figure if I can live in love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control every single day, the rest of my days are going to be pretty good. Yeah, it's funny you said that because I was telling you earlier about my cousin who passed away. That was diagnosed the same time I was I'm thinking man, I'm still here and I had a stage four. He had a stage less than one, but then the pastor went through the fruits of the Spirit like that and he goes. Who does that describe? And it was my cousin to the T. He was like every one of those things I'm like. Well, you know, he served his purpose here and he's now in a better place. Apparently I've been dragging my feet so I need to get it together but I mean it just.
Speaker 1:it really does make a difference if you start to feel like that, that that spirit of oh I don't know just negativity or antagonism or just frustration. It's like, oh, I see, you Get out, just get out. And it's not easy. Sometimes I keep catching myself. The more I live in joy, the more I live in peace, the more I live in love. I just feel sometimes I got a target on my back and I just got to keep fighting him off.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 2:Save me in the edit, will you Okay.
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