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97: Navigating Hodgkin's Lymphoma with a Raw Food Lifestyle | Katherine Scott
Katherine Scott shares her incredible journey from the Irish countryside to the bustling streets of London. Katherine recounts her early days at the foot of a mountain near the Atlantic Ocean and her move to London at 17, where she gained experience in roles from bookkeeping to the county council administration.
Katherine then opens up about her initial symptoms, facing her diagnosis of Hodgkin's lymphoma, and the struggle with the decision to undergo chemotherapy. She also shares about her exploration of alternative treatments like the macrobiotic diet and therapies in Germany. Her journey weaves from conventional to alternative with her eventual acceptance of chemotherapy, followed by a commitment to the Grape Diet to ward off cancer's return.
Through this interview, we discover how Katherine's passion for a raw food lifestyle became a cornerstone of her healing and community outreach. From attending raw food talks in London to growing and selling wheatgrass back in Ireland, her dedication to nutrition is evident. Katherine’s involvement with the HealingStrong community is also a part of her story in more recent years, as it aligns with her mission to empower others through diet and natural healing.
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My kids would say that's all we ever eat was buckwheat and almond milk and all of this. And there were some others in London as well. There were people who were as my kids would say were weird. They were raw foodists, they were foragers as well, and they would this person in particular and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well, and they would this person in particular, and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well, and so but, we had yeah, well, crazy to them anyway but, maybe a little bit over the top for me also, but I hung out with them.
Speaker 1:They were my new friends. The raw food group and I had raw food meetups at my house as well in London.
Speaker 2:You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver, jim Mann.
Speaker 3:Today I get to speak to somebody with an accent, and that's always a plus for me. I just love the accents, even though I'm sure I have an accent to her. But that's okay, she has a lovely accent. We're talking to Catherine Scott. How are you doing, Catherine?
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm totally fine, Jim.
Speaker 3:That's good. Do I have an accent to you?
Speaker 1:Of course you do, yes.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:My daughter came from England to here. First she went from England to Ireland that's where we were there for three years and then to here in America. Well, straight away she got an American accent.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally yes. And my two boys, they are still. One's got an English accent, the other's got an Irish accent. We're just a mixed breed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whenever I talk to somebody with an Irish accent or any kind of British accent or an Australian, and when I ask them I say now you all sound cool to those of us born in America, but do we sound kind of ridiculous to you? And they always politely smile at me and they never really answer.
Speaker 1:No, you sound great.
Speaker 3:American accent is lovely really okay, good, hey, there you go. You're my favorite person with an accent. Now were you born in ireland?
Speaker 1:yes, I was in in the country, um, even away from a village, um, at the foot of a mountain, oh, facing the highest mountains in Ireland the McAuliffe, cuddy, reeks and behind the back of us was another mountain with an Irish name.
Speaker 3:Sounds terrible.
Speaker 1:And then the Atlantic Ocean. Right in the front as well, you have the Atlantic Ocean and the mountains, the highest mountains in Ireland.
Speaker 3:Wow, how long did you live there? How?
Speaker 1:long did you live there? How long did I live there? Until I was 17 or 18. And then I moved to the city, to Dublin City where I worked and lived for nine years. I lived in Dublin for nine years.
Speaker 3:What did you do there?
Speaker 1:I worked at. What did I do? I did bookkeeping. Bookkeeping was my last job. That. I had there, but it wasn't computerized at that stage. So I was doing by hand bookkeeping.
Speaker 3:Yes, and then you moved to London from there, right?
Speaker 1:Then I moved to London. Yes, I just wanted to get out of Dublin. I guess I had a little bit of adventure in me to move on and do something different.
Speaker 3:Right and I love.
Speaker 1:London and I work there as well in various different jobs. I think the last job I had was working for a county council in administration.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, yeah, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 1:It wasn't my favorite job Okay.
Speaker 3:So how long did you live in London?
Speaker 1:16 years. I'm 16 years in London, 16 years here in America as well.
Speaker 3:So why did you move to from London? You went to America, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, my son, my oldest son moved to America and got married in America, and I think I've always wanted to move to America. But when I lived in London, actually, I moved back to Ireland for a short time after living 16 years there and moved back Mainly for the kids finding a good school for my two kids at the time, okay, and when we were there they actually did not like the schools.
Speaker 3:Really and.
Speaker 1:I didn't blame them because they were still the same old schools that I went to, where it was all academic work and the homework the size of the homework. When you got home you were still doing schoolwork at home as well.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And it just wasn't fun. And my son the second son I had that was there. He got a little bit depressed with all that homework. He's more a sports guy. Yeah, we'll do a little bit of academic, but he just loves sport. So he moved to America as well because his dad was living here.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:And which is why we ended up in Utah.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, and you have like eight kids, right?
Speaker 1:Well, I no, I have three of my own, but the man I married had five.
Speaker 3:Ah, yeah, that makes eight Wow. That makes eight Wow.
Speaker 1:That makes eight. Yes, that's the thing that did me in Having eight kids in London. That was London.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Kind of a small house in London.
Speaker 3:Man, I've got four and that's a lot.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know Even two. I'm looking after two grandkids here and they are a handful Four years and two years. Yeah, they're just it's difficult. It's great for learning patience, for sure.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's a great lesson right there, if you can learn it yes, yes. Now tell me about now where were you when you got your diagnosis? Where were you living then?
Speaker 1:I was in London and I was about three years, married at the time to this man with the five kids three or four years, and I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. I had no clue what a Hodgkin's lymphoma was at all, but I sure found out fast enough what were your symptoms.
Speaker 1:I was getting very tired. My two little ones were young and I was pushing them in a stroller. But I found it difficult to push that stroller and I thought I'm getting really tired. Iroller and I thought I'm getting really tired. I was quite young, I'm getting really tired and this caused me concern. And then there was some lumps on the side of my neck here and I thought I better get them checked up.
Speaker 3:Right Were they sore.
Speaker 1:They weren't sore, nothing. I wasn't feeling any other than being tired and having these lumps on my neck. I didn't feel another thing. I wasn't sick. I only got sick when they gave me chemotherapy.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, okay. So you just went to a regular doctor to find out what's going on.
Speaker 1:I went to a regular doctor. Yes, yes, I did, and he told me so. Then, right after that, I did not want to go for chemotherapy. So, I looked around for alternative treatments and I heard about the macrobiotic diet you're familiar with that one yes, yes yeah, where you're eating rice and sushi.
Speaker 1:Well, not sushi, but seaweed and I forget now, but I soon got sick of that. I couldn't touch another rice or I forget what else they had. And then, um, there were some missionaries in Ireland. There was one missionary from Germany and he said his dad treats cancer patients.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I made trips to Germany to get treatment from this doctor in Germany, and I stayed there for a week or two weeks at a time. I honestly didn't know what he was doing. I guess I was gripped with fear so I had no idea. It was like he would take my blood and put it into something like a microwave. But it wasn't a microwave and it changed the chemistry of the blood.
Speaker 1:And then he'd reinserted back into my arm again, but that's about as much as I know about it. It still didn't get me out from the grip of fear that I felt, and so I made a few trips there and my cancer wasn't getting any better. I call it cancer, but I know that they give names for different ailments, but I know it wasn't. I have no fear of what they call cancer to now. So I had a blessing from somebody from our church, lds, and he said tough treatment is needed. So I took that to be okay, I gotta have this chemotherapy thing and I didn't really like the thought of doing it. I had an aunt that died with from cancer, but she didn't die from the cancer, she died from the treatment. Right, that's the way I look at it, and so anyway I went for this chemotherapy. So I had nine months of treatment of this chemical onslaught I would call it, and honestly it nearly killed me because I just felt like death's door, so I just chose the end of that treatment.
Speaker 1:I have friends who gave me a book. It was the Grape Diet. Okay, are you familiar with the Grape Diet? South African lady.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I talked to somebody a couple years ago on this podcast that did the Grape Diet. It's the first time I had heard about it.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 3:I like grapes though.
Speaker 1:I like grapes too. So I thought, okay, this lady cured herself with grapes and after that treatment I took to eating grapes. I eat grapes for five weeks constantly. I ordered two cases of grapes from London I think it was Smithfield Market or somewhere I can't remember but they were organic grapes and there were the green ones and the red ones, two varieties, and that's all I eat for five weeks because I was so fearful that the cancer would come back and so I was scared to eat anything else, I was scared to do anything. So I was in this grip of fear, you know, constant.
Speaker 1:And anyway, another friend of mine recommended another book which was called the Wheatgrass Book, Familiar with that one.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by Anne Wigmore, and when I read that one I thought that was the key to me actually thinking, gee, if I stick to this diet I will not fear getting sick again. That was the thing that took me out of the grip of fear. That book, the wheatgrass book. Just one ounce of that juice, it said in the book, was equivalent to two pounds of raw green vegetables.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:So I would drink two ounces of that every morning. I started to grow it myself in my home.
Speaker 1:It was a stack of shelves in the kitchen and I got some trays I found it easy enough to grow. I'm not sure where I even got the seeds, the wheat grain seeds I think they were red winter hard grain. But anyway, I found the information, I got it and I started to grow it in my kitchen and I juiced that every morning. The taste wasn't great, but just the very smell of it. You know, I had to hold my nose just to drink it.
Speaker 1:That was awful, but for my peace of mind and for my health and everything, I just religiously juice that every morning. I juice two ounces of it, which was equivalent to four pounds of green vegetables.
Speaker 3:Why do you think that diet triggered you to not be fearful anymore? What about that?
Speaker 1:I guess the very fact that wheat was mentioned and there was wheat in our I was a Latter-day Saint a Mormon and we have a book called the Doctrine and Covenants and there was a section in there, section 89, and it said wheat for man, you know, corn for the ox and the animal. And I thought, okay, that's, if it says wheat, that must be really good.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:And so maybe that was the impetus for me to use the wheatgrass.
Speaker 3:It just made sense to you.
Speaker 1:Yes, it made sense, but also more than that, it was about raw living foods as well, and I thought that makes great sense. They're alive, they're living. It doesn't take much energy to digest a living food, and your body then can heal itself with the energy that it has to heal itself.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so that rang true to me, and that is why I stuck to growing the wheatgrass, maybe for 10 years I don't grow it now, but I grew it for I don't know until I came here to America, I think 16 years ago. I was growing it since 1996 until 2007. And even when I came here, that was the first thing I looked for who is growing wheatgrass here, who is selling it, and I so happened to find a company right near me that was actually selling wheatgrass seeds. I can't remember where I grew it, but I found other things like alfalfa seeds and other sprouting seeds the company sold as well.
Speaker 3:What did you eat beside that? I mean after drinking that in the morning.
Speaker 1:I tried to eat more raw. I was very big into raw. I was living in London. I found other people that were on a raw food diet. I listened to. People would come guests would come from america, like david wolf um are you familiar with david wolf?
Speaker 1:yes no, okay, david wolf came over. I went to hear him, paul nissen, um, and and some others as well. In fact, my first book I ever heard about raw food was called Raw Energy, but there wasn't too many raw recipes at the time, but that has flourished since then. There's an immense amount of raw recipe books now, so most of my diet was like I might grow buckwheat sprouts and have a buckwheat breakfast in the morning. I mean, my kids would say that's all we ever eat was buckwheat and almond milk and all of this. And there were some others. In London as well, there were people who were, as my kids would say, were weird.
Speaker 1:You know, they were raw foodists, they were foragers as well, and they would this person in particular and she would eat daffodils and some other stuff as well. Crazy people. But we had yeah, well, crazy to them anyway, but maybe a little bit over the top for me also, but I hung out with them. They were my new friends, the raw food group and I had raw food meetups at my house as well in London.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, I was going to ask you how your family responded to your new diet. Were they supportive, did they also do the same thing, or just kind of like watch you from a distance?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, they actually were quite supportive really. They never made any comments. They never say, oh, you should have meat or you should have anything. They just trusted me, that what I was doing. They had a sense of, well, she knows what she's doing. They knew a little bit maybe of healthy eating themselves.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:That they were always very supportive, and even to this very day. If we have get-togethers, they will always have a vegan alternative choice there as well.
Speaker 3:Wow, okay.
Speaker 1:And I have taught them as well, All of my sisters in Ireland. They would all have blenders and food processors and juicers. My son would have juicers and that would be from giving them information.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So they were supportive, very supportive. I didn't have any trouble with anybody, even when I went out to restaurants or anything. The only problem I would have would be from myself. I would be tempted by the food that was presented in front of me. That would be my only problem. I'd say in that respect yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that never really stops. I mean, it lessens a little, it never stops, yeah it never stops.
Speaker 1:Honestly, now let lessens a little. It never stops.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Never stops honestly yeah, now let me make sure I got the timeline right, like your cancer left after the chemo. I mean, did the chemo take care of that? As far as the active cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's what they would say, that the chemotherapy. Even to this day a family might say say well, didn't the chemotherapy kill you? I would. It kind of annoys me, because that's the thing that nearly killed me yeah you know, then I had to to build my body back up again because of their destructive methods of healing which is it's usually the story that you know.
Speaker 3:people think, well, the chemo took care of it and then they just go back to how they were eating or whatever before, and so obviously the cancer comes back with a revenge type of thing. But it sounds like you just changed everything or just ramped it up.
Speaker 1:Yes, I did, I changed everything. Yes, and it excites me as well, you know to have this knowledge. It excites me as well, you know to have this knowledge. It's a knowledge of freedom as well, because most people are afraid of getting this cancer thing, and I'm just so glad that I know about not just about cancer but all other ailments as well that I'm now more knowledgeable about that than I was way back then. And so that's a blessing from God. I think it's a total blessing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you were under a lot of stress in your younger years, right With eight kids. I imagine.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think it was more the stress of the kids, Because when you have eight kids there's always a fight breaking out. Yes, I don't know, and so I'm there trying to put out the fights and I'm kind of a person. I think that likes a little bit of control, you know. I want to control things and that builds up a stress in the body as well. Yeah, so, anyway, I moved back to Ireland. Oh, my marriage ended.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my marriage ended around that time. I guess he didn't want to have any sick person around, I don't know. Anyway, I can't speak for him really, but it did end and I was left with the two kids. My oldest son had gone to America.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:We moved back to Ireland and in Ireland I started to grow the wheatgrass and I actually grew it. There was two organic markets in Ireland where I was living and I had a little stand there and I was selling the wheatgrass trays like full wheatgrass trays, and I was selling some juicers and sprouters and everything. I was in my element then. It was just so enjoyable to do that. People would come from all around because word got out there's a healer in town, you know, and so they would be buying these wheatgrass trays from me, wheatgrass like six or seven inches height in the grass, and they would grow that. And I was even in the grass and they would grow that. And I was even in the newspaper.
Speaker 1:I saw myself one morning in a Sunday newspaper a picture of myself with a tray and it says don't stay off the grass.
Speaker 3:Clever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a clever pun there. Clever, yeah, clever pun there. Yeah so anyway, I continued to grow the grass until I moved to America here and I continued to sell that grass in Ireland and just people got to know me.
Speaker 1:I was in a few different newspapers there and then moving to America was a big change and the first thing when I came here and I went into the stores here, that was the first thing I thought. Nobody eats healthy here. They look awful, the colorful cans and just everything was psychedelic packaging. You know where there's the worst food, there's also the best, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know where there's the worst of people, there's always the best as well.
Speaker 3:America allows a lot of additives to their food that other countries have banned. Yeah, I don't know why, but you know, I don't call that freedom.
Speaker 1:No, but it's like America started with the cupcakes and the McDonald's and all of that. Now that is in Ireland. Now, it wasn't actually back there. Oh, I'm sorry, but it's in Ireland and I went back maybe three or four years ago and I saw the cupcakes there. They never had cupcakes before. Not to say that they don't have bad food over there too. They do. They have their own sweet cakes, but cupcakes, you knew, the Americans have have got in there, you know, with their with their food.
Speaker 3:We do what we can but america.
Speaker 1:The best comes from america too. Like that first book that I ever read it was raw energy. There were two american ladies and david wolf is american, paulissen is American. I don't know if you know Paul Nissen. Anyway, he was another raw food guy, and there were some Russian ladies as well, actually, that were a great influence to me as well, and Dr Robert Morse, who's American as well, and he was great a naturopath.
Speaker 3:Now here we are. What has it been? 30, 31 years or actually, I'm sorry, 29 years since your diagnosis, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so how is your health now Perfect?
Speaker 1:I can't say it is perfect. I don't know, how do you get perfect as you get older? I don't know. But I have energy. I'm still excited about life. I'm doing things. I'm getting out. I'm bike riding Not every day because the weather is too hot. I go to the gym and take care of two grandkids as well. That's not an easy task to do. So, yeah, my health is is fine, and I'm so thankful for that knowledge that I received back then, I still.
Speaker 1:I I grow um alfalfa sprouts and I grow and I eat mostly raw, because I teach a class once a month anyway. So I have to come up with good raw recipes, appetizing, appealing recipes, to entice others to come in to eat more raw. And it's not just a carrot and a piece of celery, if you're thinking of raw food. There are lovely recipes and the recipe books have blossomed into thousands now.
Speaker 1:There's no end to the amount of recipe books Online. There are so many people online that are raw foodists as well, so not like when I started out.
Speaker 3:Yes, did you cross paths with Healing Strong, or did you find out about Healing Strong? Or did you find out about Healing Strong, or do you even know about Healing Strong?
Speaker 1:No, I do. I was at the Health Expo or something that they had in Salt Lake.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's called Be Healthy. Utah Conference.
Speaker 1:Oh Be Healthy Utah. And I met Colette Moser there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Do you know her?
Speaker 3:Yes, I know, colette, she's the person that's over this area here.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, okay, said you're already doing something like that, because in my home I teach a raffle class um once a month, and she said that's just like what we do. Uh, yeah, I thought that I could do that yeah, now that be healthy.
Speaker 3:Utah conference that was just last year yeah, um, it was this year, wasn't? It this year, just several months ago. Yeah, I remember, I remember I didn't go, obviously, but I remember hearing about that. I thought, man, I'd like to go there just because it's Utah.
Speaker 1:I like Utah, yeah yeah, Utah is very clean, I think anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's pretty clean.
Speaker 3:It's a beautiful state, yeah. So what did you think of the conference? What did you take away from that?
Speaker 1:My takeaway, I guess, from that was Colette was one of the best. I can't remember anything else because I know most things. I've been around a long time. I'm familiar with just everything that's out there Not everything, but a lot of alternative treatments and stuff that's out there but I just like to go and socialize and meet up with people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you were networking with like-minded people basically.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's always good, because sometimes people look at you strangely like, wow, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, my passion is to help people if they're ill, to help people to change their diet and just to be around if they need me. I don't try to push it on them or anything. A friend of mine, a lady, called me the other day from England to know if I could help her friend. Just tell her what I did, and it's something like that that I really like to do for people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and of course, everybody's different. Everybody's body might need something else, but it's pretty much. The basics are the same.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And another question I'd like to end with, because we're about to run out of time here. But if someone's listening and they just got that diagnosis, you know what that fear is like when you're thinking oh my gosh, I've got tagged with cancer, my life is about to be over. So what would you tell somebody to encourage them that maybe just got their diagnosis?
Speaker 1:It would be hard for me to tell them not to fear, because I don't think….
Speaker 3:It's natural, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, that that would help them. I guess my one thing would be to change their diet and I would recommend some videos to go to as well, or to recommend some people online that have healed themselves from the very illnesses that they have. And now I see that cancer. This cancer is a blocked lymphatic system, a blocked drainage system, more than anything. So, no matter what ailment a person has got, it's the blocked. We call it the drainage system of the body. The blood is the feeding system to the cells. It's like blocked. We call it the drainage system of the body. The blood is the feeding system to the cells.
Speaker 3:It's like a kitchen Right.
Speaker 1:And then the bathroom of the kitchen of the house is the drainage. So every body or every animal, or even your car, has got a feeding system the petrol, the gas, and then there's the exhaust, um, the, the exhaust the drainage, and your body has a drainage system as well, and when that gets blocked up, like if your sewer system in your house gets blocked up, it causes problems all over yeah, toxic yeah, so with your drain, your your body's lymphatic drainage system.
Speaker 1:If that gets blocked, you could get acne tumors, whatever, and doctors never mention that. And so if a person knows that information, they have nothing to fear Nothing. And it was Dr Robert Morse that gave me that information, you know, and, and it was dr robert morse that gave me that information, and that wasn't too long ago maybe six or seven years ago yeah, that I got.
Speaker 1:That was the final information that I actually needed yeah so I I would say that to this person you know, to look into um the the body's lymphatic system, and and help with and go on fruits to cleanse that out. Fruit and green leafy vegetables maybe, or herbs, that would be my suggestion to them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the body's an amazing machine, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It's amazing, it's a healing. It heals itself. You feed it right and it will heal itself.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, Catherine, thank you so much. I've enjoyed listening to your accent and to your wisdom itself. Yeah Well, Catherine, thank you so much. I've enjoyed listening to your accent and to your wisdom and your knowledge and your story. It was amazing.
Speaker 1:Thanks, Jim.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm glad you are living healthy.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm doing my best. It's not easy in a world like this, is it?
Speaker 3:No, it's not.
Speaker 1:It smells all around. You know that's right Everywhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right. Well, hopefully we'll cross paths sometime.
Speaker 1:Hopefully. Yes, you can come to the next Utah health fair or whatever. Okay yeah.
Speaker 3:It's called. Where do I have it? Oh Be Healthy Utah.
Speaker 1:Conference. Oh Be Healthy, utah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll probably see you there. Yeah, you've been listening. Probably see you there, yeah.
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