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95: Stage 3 Ovarian Cancer and the Unseen Impacts of Stress | Hayley Dubin
Hayley Dubin joins us to share her story of how impactful stress can be on one's health. Hayley was diagnosed with cancer at the young age of 29, regardless of leading, what she thought, to be a healthy lifestyle. Hayley takes us through the early days of her diagnosis, her medical journey, and the eventual moment of clarity when her tumor was discovered. Her story serves as a harsh reminder of the unseen impact stress can have on our bodies, even for those who appear outwardly healthy.
Hayley shares her unique Repsonse and approach to her lifestyle, even after hearing that she was cancer-free. She shares her roadmap to reclaiming her health through dietary changes, lifestyle tweaks, and stress management techniques. From grounding practices to reducing screen time, Haley's insights underscore the importance of a holistic approach to wellness. Her story reminds us that maintaining a balanced life is crucial for both, physical and emotional health.
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I started to read a book by Andrew Weil. He was my first book that I read and it was called Eight Weeks to Optimum Health. I just began to make changes slowly. He was very big on the anti-inflammatory diet to add like walnuts to your diet to have some good olive oil and just all the great vegetables and fruits. And I just began to eat less processed foods. I always ate healthy and you know my friends kept saying you, of all people have cancer, you are the healthiest eater and I always exercised, always. So everyone was so surprised, but surprised. But when one thing's out of balance, when you're just so stressed out and not living intentionally and things are out of harmony, that's when diseases like cancer happen, unfortunately, you're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world.
Speaker 3:Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver, jim Mann.
Speaker 2:One thing I like about doing this podcast is I get to meet people I normally won't meet, so I feel like I have a bunch of new friends, even though most of them tell me not to contact them again after the recording. That's beside the point, just kidding, of course. Today I am talking to Haley Dubin. Haley, how are you?
Speaker 1:I'm doing well, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:Oh, I am doing fantastic Enjoying this lovely 500 degree weather. You know that's because I'm getting old. When I was a kid I loved it, but because it meant school was out, but still.
Speaker 1:I get it. I'm in Cleveland and it is hot here now. I do like hot weather better than cold, because it's cold here many months out of the year.
Speaker 2:You're in the wrong place. If you like hot weather, better Right? Did you grow up in Cleveland?
Speaker 1:I did Born and raised Yep.
Speaker 2:That's kind of weird because I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, and just about everybody I grew up with they're still there. Man, I'm like a renegade.
Speaker 1:Yes, I have so many friends that stayed here too.
Speaker 2:Hmm, I don't know Something about staying around your hometown. I do miss it every once in a while, but it's been since 81 that I left, so you know it's so weird that I still miss part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 2:Well, I know you've got a story. It's a lot older than mine is, even though you're a lot younger than I am. You got diagnosed with cancer. I think it was in your 20s, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:It was. I was actually 29, about to turn 30.
Speaker 2:Oh, 29. That still sounds great. Yes, and you were like healthy before that you thought.
Speaker 1:Exactly, that's the key word. I thought, yes, I was young and I had my family. I was married, I had one child, two-year-old at the time. Yeah, and just trying to balance career, motherhood, marriage.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I wasn't handling stress very well. I was trying to balance everything and not doing a very good job of it.
Speaker 2:What kind of career were you in?
Speaker 1:So I was in sales, I sold office supplies and you would think it was brain surgery Because I had a big bank, that I was one of my accounts and they I mean nonstop had issues and you know. But I had other accounts too and I was trying to. My boss said I could work part time, but it really wasn't part time, it was really full time. So, yeah, it was a little crazy back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sales. Just the word sales makes me stress out. It's not something that I am good at, it's not my natural ability. But yeah, I could totally get how you'd be stressful there, because if you don't sell, you don't make money right.
Speaker 1:Well, exactly, exactly. I loved making the connections. That was the fun part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was good at that. I had a couple of sales jobs and I was good at meeting people, but I could not sell anybody anything. I pretty much probably talked them out of it. I'm like you can't afford this.
Speaker 1:It's just too much yeah, so definitely not for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I finally learned that. Did you enjoy that, though, or is it just?
Speaker 1:You know, I enjoyed it for a while, but I was getting completely stressed out and I remember saying to my husband if something doesn't change, I'm going to get sick. So I guess, be careful what you say out loud, right, right, right, your body hears you that I had a tumor. I was playing tennis with my sister and my mom and another woman. We were playing doubles and all of a sudden I got terrible pain and I still continued to play but I'm like hmm, this is weird. And go to sleep the next morning. It's worse. I I can't even tie my shoe and I'm thinking what is going on?
Speaker 2:and I thought, maybe you just pulled something, or yes, exactly I.
Speaker 1:I couldn't imagine. And so I went to the doctor and, uh, he thought it was gas and he gave me gas pills and basically said you know, go home and take this. And I'm thinking I never had gas like that in my life. That hurt that much. And I ended up going the next day because it was even worse. And he told me to go to the emergency room because he thought it was my appendix.
Speaker 2:Wow, sounds like he's guessing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly Exactly. He had no idea. So I was. I remember being in the emergency room for hours and they were doing test after test and finally a doctor did an internal and they must have felt something. I didn't know at the time. But then they did an ultrasound. They first did a CAT scan, didn't really tell me much, and then they did an ultrasound. They first did a CAT scan, didn't really tell me much, and then they did an ultrasound. And then I get a call the next day from my OBGYN saying I want you to come in. We have an oncologist here to talk to them, and they didn't tell me that they think it's cancer, but by their voice I could just tell it was just yeah. And so I had to go in. And you know, at this time I was trying to have another child, my second child, and they were telling me watch this video on hysterectomies. Wow, you know, just in case we find something, you have to get a total hysterectomy.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so a week later.
Speaker 1:I go in and I just remember waking up in the recovery room to my husband's face, you know, just telling me I have to survive, and I later found out that it was stage three ovarian cancer.
Speaker 2:Wow, just the fact that he said watch this video is just, it's just incredible. Like, hey, just watch this, just in case.
Speaker 1:Right and I'm 29. I'm thinking there's no way this is going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm being, I'm being stressed out now. Sorry to do that to you yeah we have to go for a walk after this. So what happened at that point?
Speaker 1:So it actually spread to my colon as well as my appendix. So they told me that I would need to have chemotherapy and a total hysterectomy. So at first they just took out the tumor, they took out one ovary, because that's where it was, and they said to me you'll have a much better chance of survival if you get everything out. So if you have a total hysterectomy and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, why don't you take everything out right away? Because I signed something, but you know part of it. They were trying to give me a choice, because I did want to have more kids, but the way they told me it I just was like, okay, let's do another surgery. So yeah, so I had two surgeries and three rounds of chemotherapy and which I would just stay in the hospital for five days each time. It was very extensive and very toxic and at that time they had me stay in the hospital. And after I was finished with these three rounds and after I was finished with these three rounds.
Speaker 1:I remember being declared cancer free, and you know, I knew that it should be a cause of celebration, but I felt more scared than ever and I talked to so many people that feel the exact same way. Like you're supposed to be celebrating, it feels nothing like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think it's, because you feel like there's a sleeping giant ready to wake up in there, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly Exactly. And you know, I just felt so uneasy about what my next steps would be to ensure that I would live a long healthy life and be there for my son and my husband sure that I would live a long healthy life and be there for my son and my husband. And you know, I knew, oh God, please, I don't want to ever go through this again, if I can help it. And I do remember asking the oncologist all kinds of questions. You know what I could do to remain healthy, and is there a certain diet I can eat? And I'm just desperate. I'm asking him question after question and all he said to me was go back to living your normal life and I'll see you in three months yeah and I know you hear that a lot- it's a red flag
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, definitely because I think, because I mean, I'm assuming it's because their mentality is it's almost like you can catch cancer, like you can catch the flu. I mean it attacks you, or it's just bad luck that you get it, rather than you know something that you were doing, whether it is stress or your diet or whatever. Whatever it is that's causing these cancer cells to flourish, because we all have cancer cells in us, but you know, our body can take care of it when we are healthy and doing the right things, and even when we think we're healthy, like you did and I did obviously there's something that's out of balance, and it's usually stress or unforgiveness, or toxins that you don't know, or some of the chemicals that you're putting on your body or that you're drinking or that you're living near. Whatever it may be. There's so many variables and of course, it gets worse and worse as our world continues and more chemicals are being put into things. There's a rabbit hole right there. We won't go down.
Speaker 1:No, but you're so right. I mean, it's such a multifactorial disease. Yeah, and you know people want like that quick fix. What do I do? What do I do? But there's so much that you just mentioned. And you know, for some reason I knew that I needed to take control over my health. I mean, especially when he just said go back to living your normal life and I'll see you in three months, I'm thinking, ok, I don't think my normal life was working for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I need to make a lot of changes. I just, in my gut, knew it. So, with my husband's support, I decided to quit my job and stay home with my son and yeah, and I just began to immerse myself into researching everything I can get my hands on foods, lifestyle, habits, mindsets, you know, anything I can do to support my body and and help me avoid recurrence. I think you know that's such a big thing because I think so many people feel out of control, right Like your body's failing you or failed you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with me it was like everything that I always thought was just related to being a hippie you know, like those tree huggers out there. Then I realized, wait a minute, they're on to something they're grounding when they hug their trees and eat all these things out of nature. And then we realized, oh okay, they're on to something. And now they seem smart to me, yes yes, isn't that funny. Push them off as being hippie and kind of a little crazy. And of course you don't have to be a hippie and live in a van.
Speaker 1:I go hiking with some friends, and everyone was rushing off to the next thing and this was just about three weeks ago, everyone was rushing off to the next thing. And this was just about three weeks ago and I just went back in the woods, I took my shoes off and I just sat there. You know, I was not sad. I stood there grounding and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, someone's going to walk by me, thinking I'm absolutely crazy, but I'm like who cares? I know that it's so beneficial for me, it calms me down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's so beneficial for me it calms me down, yeah, and it's so good for the immune system, so, and it helps with sleep. I sleep so well when I do that, when I give myself 15 minutes or so to ground you do that like in the evening no, so it just during the day and then I get really I think it does something to my circadian rhythm At night. I just feel like I could go to sleep easier.
Speaker 2:That's why my dogs sleep so well.
Speaker 1:Probably. I mean especially if we're not looking at all the screens, and that's the hard part.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, it's hard to live life without screens. I mean, it's just the way the world is going, especially if you work and you have a computer. You got to do that and of course, the phones. It's just being out of balance. It's hard not to see it and I don't want to put my family out there. Every other family I see at restaurants, you know everyone's looking at the screen. It's just a habit and it is not a healthy habit, even though there's a good part to having those, because you get the knowledge of the world right in your hand. You can get a college degree just through your phone.
Speaker 1:So true, it's so true, and so there are a lot of good things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you're right, I feel like people aren't talking. They're not talking with each other and communicating, and there's a lot of bad things about it.
Speaker 2:So what did you? What kind of protocol did you do? Or did you just kind of amp up the healthy food and got rid of the bad food?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I mean, everything took time. But I went to a nutrition class. It was actually at our local cancer wellness center and it was all about anti-inflammatory foods. And so I still it's so funny to this day I still have this typed up sheet on you know having well, at that time it said farmed salmon, which is funny, but because of the omega-3s now we want wild caught Alaskan.
Speaker 1:But I started to read a book by Andrew Weil. He was my first book that I read and it was called Eight Weeks to Optimum Health and I just began to make changes slowly. He was very big on the anti-inflammatory diet. You know, to add, like walnuts to your diet, to have, you know, some good olive oil and just all the great vegetables and fruits. And I just began to eat less processed foods. I always ate healthy and you know my friends kept saying you, of all people have cancer, you are the healthiest eater and I always exercised, always. So everyone was so surprised. But you know, when one thing is out of balance, when you're just so stressed out and not living intentionally and things are out of harmony, that's when diseases like cancer happen, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ate pretty healthy, but I supplemented it with garbage so I threw in a lot of sugar because I was always skinny and I could eat everything and never gain an ounce, which frustrated me but made other people mad. I was always hungry and I was always eating. Whatever was around, there was always a lot of sugar. So that was my downside is I packed in the sugars. As soon as I found out I had cancer, I just dropped the refined sugars. I mean I still ate fruit. I backed off the bread because I know bread also turns to sugar, but went to sourdough bread, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, that right there makes you healthier, even if you're totally healthy before just dropping sugar. Everyone gets more healthy and you drop Even me, a skinny guy. I dropped. I think it was 30 pounds. Amazing, I thought amazing man, where did that?
Speaker 1:come from you're, you know, increasing insulin, and insulin is a growth factor for cancer. So it's just being aware of all these things, um, and taking baby steps, you know, because now I do a lot of things and I'm sure you do a lot of things, but it didn't start off that way. I didn't start off going through my makeup drawer and my body care products and all that and getting rid of everything.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But now I know a lot more and I do a lot more. So that's why I like to I coach others on how to make your body unhospitable to cancer as much as possible. You know, we're not God, we can't control everything, but I just I always tell people, just do the things you can control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you were in a good, good situation, it seems that that you were declared cancer free. But then you were like, okay, now I'm going to change everything in my life to go in the direction of staying cancer free, rather than so many people. You know they panic when they get the diagnosis and you know they try to change things at that point. You know it's stressful just thinking, wow, I don't have a lot of time, even though you normally do have more time than you think you do. But the doctors kind of make you feel like you gotta hurry. And of course, usually they talk about the chemo and stuff. And again, I always gotta say that I'm not bashing doctors. You know they're brilliant, we need them. But lots of them their hands are tied or all they know is the chemo and radiation. You know some of them still say diet has nothing to do with it. I fortunately had a doctor who says diet has a lot to do with it. So does stress. I mean I was shocked that he talked that way I know You're right.
Speaker 1:That is not the norm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I had my cousin that I was very close to. His doctor said eat more donuts to keep your weight up. He says it doesn't matter what you eat, and you know.
Speaker 1:And he I know, and when people say that to this day, it just blows my mind yeah, all the information out there. But you're right.
Speaker 2:These doctors are busy. They don't have time. They know what they know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you're still cancer free. Yes, thank God I'm I am cancer free, and several decades. Yes, yes, it's been well, it's been 26 years in May. I can't even believe it. Yeah, it was May of 1998.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so other than changing your diet and getting rid of your stress from your job, you're doing things, like you said, to encourage other people and to train other people and counsel with other people. I know you've got a website revivewellnesscom.
Speaker 1:What is that about? About me and my journey and what I prescribe to people. You know, to live your most joyful life and, like you said, people get diagnosed with cancer and they are just in this fair state. And I get it. I get it, I was too and you're looking at all these things, especially now online. And you're looking at all these things, especially now online.
Speaker 1:What should you know? Should I take this herb? Should I take this supplement? You know, should I detox right now? You know just all these things and it is so, so overwhelming. So I really like to work with people to get rid of that overwhelm and help them focus on the things they could do right now and then we can talk about. Okay, is there a certain practitioner that you feel would be right for you? I recommend people. So, yeah, we go through their food, we go through their emotions. I mean, the emotional impact of cancer is huge and so many people have had traumas before they're ever diagnosed with cancer, so that's so big and I'm sure a lot of your guests have talked about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know go through a divorce or a change of a job or a death in the family. I mean, there's so many things. So, it's really the holistic approach and you know, my goal is just to help them transform their lives, live their best, most vibrant life, and it's been gratifying, it really has, and I actually I started a podcast. What who does that?
Speaker 2:It's been gratifying. It really has, and I actually I started a podcast.
Speaker 1:What? Who does that? Similar to you, I wanted people to know. There's other things out there, like you mentioned. Yes, sometimes conventional care that's what people need to do, but there's so many other things to build up the body and I wanted to bring on practitioners who are thinking outside the box to heal cancer, and survivors that have done amazing things to help others after their diagnosis. So it's a very hopeful podcast. It's called the Cancer Liberation Project and, yes, I'm proud of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard you on a podcast, on James Templeton's podcast. Yeah, he's one of my heroes, since he had the same kind of cancer and, of course, he had it like 100 years ago.
Speaker 1:He's such a great guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah. His story is amazing. Of course you know he's Texan so he's going to. He's got a lot of fight in him.
Speaker 1:Sure does.
Speaker 2:I heard you talk about how, like your doctor said, there's really no support groups for you. Of course, that was a long time ago. Uh, because you know you're younger, support groups are more like for old people who are dying from cancer, I guess. But you know that's what Healing Strong is all about, is our strength is the support groups, which is you know basically what it is. It's the largest group of support groups holistic support groups in the world. I don't know how many hundreds we have now, but it's basically a lot, and I have one in Greenville, south Carolina. The thing about it is, you know, I don't go there and teaching them like I know a lot. In fact, just about everybody in my group seems to know more than I do about this, which is great. I have a key to open the building, so you know that's like my part.
Speaker 2:But, the thing is, everyone loves the fact that they're with group of people that are going through similar journeys. I mean, they're all different but they're similar journeys and we can just talk about anything and we leave that meeting with a lot of hope and encouragement and, as we hear each other's stories and, you know, catch up with them, because we meet once a month, or at least my group does. Some of them meet every week, but it's just a very hopeful time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think community is so, so important. You're absolutely right. I mean, when I went through that all those years ago, he said there's no support group for me and it was lonely. Even though my family was so supportive, they didn't get it. They didn't know what I was going through. So it becomes really lonely. So I think that community is so, so important. I love that you're doing that and you're holding space for people.
Speaker 1:That's huge, maybe you're not teaching them about diet and all that stuff, but you're holding space for them, which is even probably more important to get their feelings out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do have a curriculum that's already put together for us At least that's what I use but we go through that and it does teach diet and the stress and 12 lessons. So once a. Obviously it goes through a year and the changeover in my group is such that I can just start over again because people are like oh, I didn't know that part, and last time I brought my little juicer and we did some juicing, but basically I can't get them to stop talking about their stories. So it's great and I'm always bragging about ours, because you know, in greenville, south carolina, we have a cancer survivors park and they have a building which they actually let me use.
Speaker 2:It's it's a beautiful place and the park was made for people. Uh, it's not a healing strong thing. I mean, it's the hospitals and all that pay for it but it's a place, if you're, you know, battling cancer, it's a place in nature that you just can go and relax. It's amazing to me that the hospital is paying for this and putting people into nature. Normally they don't talk about that. Like you know, get out of the woods and do your chemo.
Speaker 1:Right, right, that is just incredible. So I like to see that things are changing. That's really wonderful.
Speaker 2:They're slowly changing. Not fast enough, but they are changing. So that's a good thing. And we even have different stations. When I say we, the park has different stations where you get like the one got a little QR code that you click on there and it'll show a video a doctor talking about how important laughter is, you know, to have a cheerful heart. And another one about, you know, stress and what is incredible. It's like something that Healing Strong should have put down here, but it was. You know, it's like $11 million park that they put in there. So yeah, it's how great11 million park that they put in there. So yeah.
Speaker 1:How great. I want to go visit it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come on, come on down from Cleveland In the winter, you can come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a better time right.
Speaker 2:Our winters are, like you know, in the 40s or something.
Speaker 1:I could deal with that, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, hey, how can people get a hold of you if they want to find out more about your projects? Obviously, they can go to your podcast, livewellnesscom, and you know, I'm just hoping that these conversations give you hope and know that you're not in this alone, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I saw on your website you have a like a free ebook seven top tips to keep cancer away and feel confident in your body again. That's a.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. So people can go there and download that for free and get those tips.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's one thing that, as cancer survivors or cancer thrivers, as we like to call ourselves, they're still every time you have like a new pain or something like no, tell me, that's not something coming back. You know that fear is always like in the back of the mind, even though you don't want to believe it, but still.
Speaker 1:You're right. You're right, and it takes a long time for that to lessen. It does, yeah, because I remember having pains, even in my head, and I'd panic, you know. So it's normal. And you just made me think I wanted to tell people to be compassionate with themselves. And you just made me think I wanted to tell people to be compassionate with themselves. It's, you know, we could be so hard on ourselves. And why aren't we feeling like we used to and why are we low energy? And we just have to be easy on ourselves and show ourselves grace and love.
Speaker 2:I was kind of like my next question. It's usually my last question. I ask you know, how would you encourage somebody who is, you know, just got a diagnosis, and they're listening and they're in fear and they're in panic and they don't know what to do. They feel like they had to hurry. But that's the advice that I was looking for. Oh wow, I didn't even know you were going to ask that I didn't know you were going to ask that yeah, you just made me think of something else.
Speaker 1:Just know you're not in a huge hurry and really sit and quiet with yourself and breathe. And if you go to a doctor and you don't feel that they're good for you, if you're feeling constricted, go to someone else. You know you're interviewing them and and don't feel that you have to go to the first doctor that you, that your hospital recommends. So that's another thing to really listen to your gut. And I know sometimes people have a hard time listening to their gut, but I always. Sometimes people have a hard time listening to their gut, but I always the best way for me to do it is sitting in quiet and if I feel good about something, there's like an expansion, and if I'm worried about something, there's that constricting feeling. So I just wanted to mention that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's excellent. You know, all doctors are smart, but some of them just don't have the wisdom. I don't know what it is, or they're just the way they. You compassion? You know everyone wants that.
Speaker 1:And so if they're just all business, and maybe that's the type of person you are and if that works for you, but if it doesn't, look for somebody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah. Bedside manner is important to me, so normally that comes through the nurses, though that's why we have nurses.
Speaker 1:That's true. I, oh I think about my nurses. They were so incredible, so incredible. I give them so much credit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so where do you see things five years from now? You just continue expand your ministry, or whatever you want to call it, your project.
Speaker 1:Such a good question. You know I want to get into groups more, so right now I just do individual, and groups is something I've really been thinking about, and as far as the podcast, I'm going to keep it up as long as I get amazing guests. I know I'm interviewing Suzy Griswold soon from your organization and, jim, if you want to come on, we could talk about that too okay, yeah, like I was telling you earlier, suzy, she's just going to be really mean and grouchy.
Speaker 2:It's just how she is. It's hard to be nervous right yeah, I say that of course everyone listening to this podcast knows that's totally the opposite of how Susie is. So, yeah, she'll be super sweet and you'll just have a wonderful time with her. Because she's almost too nice, I think she needs to be pulled over and get a citation or something. I'm sure there's a limit to how nice somebody can be, but she's over the limit if that's the case.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm looking forward to meeting her.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much, jim.
Speaker 3:You've been listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization.
Speaker 3:We hope you found encouragement in this episode, as well as the confidence to take control of your healing journey, knowing that God will guide you on this path.
Speaker 3:Healing Strong is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to connect, support and educate individuals facing cancer and other diseases through strategies that help to rebuild the body, renew the soul and refresh the spirit. It costs nothing to be a part of a local or online group. You can do that by going to our website at healingstrongorg and finding a group near you or an online group, or start your own, your choice. While you're there, take a look around at all the free resources. Though the resources and groups are free, we encourage you to join our membership program at $25 or $75 a month. This helps us to be able to reach more people with hope and encouragement, and that also comes with some extra perks as well. So check it out. If you enjoyed this podcast, please give us a five-star rating, leave an encouraging comment and help us spread the word. We'll see you next week with another story on the I Am Healing Strong podcast.
